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Shanghainese Girl Marrying Foreigners @DB I was thinking about the same thing before - how people seems to think of this as a clear cut bad foreigner "rich" man and a good China "poor" women... Couldn't it be the other way round as in it is the women from China who are preying on foreigner males whom they thought are richer (be it true or false) eagerly and willingly? What if the China women is well educated, well heeled, rich, young and pretty but is willing to date a comparatively poorer, older, less educated WESTERN male, perhaps, for the sake looking more "prestigious" or "high class"? We all know that "white skin" is generally regarded as more "fashionable" and "prestigious" in China. That may be a stereotype but many people in China possess this stereotype... |
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Swim in River in Shanghai River swimming? Think I'll just stick to treated swimming pools. |
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Swim in River in Shanghai River swimming? Think I'll just stick to treated swimming pools. |
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10 Things You Love/Hate About Shanghai "On your opening comments - attractive Asian women (in Singapore) - compared to Shanghai?? You MUST be joking right???????? - It sounds like mockery at all women in Singapore" Hey Autumn, is it not a "sound like mockery" - IT IS A MOCKERY IF NOT DISCRIMINATION. Aussie PB is totally hypocrite about being anti-racist if you look at his other posts. If you have the time, scroll through his past comments and you can see very clearly that he basically discriminates or at least is negative about Singapore (except the money) and is favorably biased towards China/ Shanghai women for that matter. Well, he married a China women so it is not hard to see why/ how he feels that way. Cool it... |
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Data Center "Sealed" During Olympic I remember APEC 2001 in Shanghai, it was a ghost town! |
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10 Things You Love/Hate About Shanghai Hi autumn - per all the above comments - this was not the intention of my words. I know now that I could have been wiser with the way I structured my sentence. Please forgive and forget. :p |
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10 Things You Love/Hate About Shanghai Hi @Griffin - mate, apology totally accepted - consider it forgotten, my friend. Please also accept mine. :D |
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Went to Shanghai Community Church hi. i am looking for a seventh day adevntist church in Shanghai. if you could give me the adress, i will be very happy. God bless you. |
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Brought Yifan to Gymboree you made a right decission for your kid ! my advise on teaching a child a language is that any learner has a chance to be in environment offering english-speaking, i mean, native speaker. those people working for education institute, however, some are good english users because of their long stay in western society, now making fun with children, and the others are not quailtified for standards of teaching, their goal is making money for themselves and do nothing more. |
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10 Things You Love/Hate About Shanghai Not sure what happened to the last post I made, but i came back to apologize. I confused the names in the first place, and It was just a stupid mix-up. sorry for that, Aussie, my mistake. |
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10 Things You Love/Hate About Shanghai hi "On your opening comments - attractive Asian women (in Singapore) - compared to Shanghai?? You MUST be joking right???????? It sounds like mockery at all women in Singapore. Being a Singaporean women, I do not agree with Aussie because I know there are lots of attractive women in Singapore. Maybe he hasn't had the chance to meet one yet. Ling do not get worked up because what we all know what he said is not true. :-) No point starting a online war here. |
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10 Things You Love/Hate About Shanghai Aussie... I did get the names totally mixed up. Sorry about that. I should have gone back and looked at the names again, cos I got seriously muddled-up, sorry mate. |
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Data Center "Sealed" During Olympic China hosting Summer Game 2008 was an attempt to show the advancement of the counry and invite people from all over the world to glorify the event. Nevertheless, the uprising in Tibet changed the setting. Beijing has now deployed 100k official security and 500k informers all over the city, migrant workers, students and foreign businessmen are repatriated, foreign visa are curtailed, police check points are established, foreign news agency are only allow to cover the stories in associated with Olympic. China has demonstrated herself as a totalitarian state to the rest of the world and the Olympic Spirit has been whitewashed. If all these efforts are to suppress the uprising by Dalai Lama, perhaps this is what Dalia Lama and his instigators have hope for in the first place. Now Beijing 2008 has became Armed Camp 2008, I feel very sad! |
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Shanghainese Girl Marrying Foreigners If it is always a happy ending, everybody is happy, what is the problem? Of course I am not saying ALL international romance is bad. Obviously AussiPB is a good example. But like you said, your case is one of the rare ones. I wonder whether you witness of heard of the bad case like mine. What most people in your circle do about it? NOTHING? They might shoot their heads, say bad bad bad and then forget about it. But think about those eager hopeful girls and women, how much harder for them to believe in another man or especially a foreign man? How can they put their feet on the same ground as other Chinese women who did not enjoy the same benefit of being with a foreign men? How a young girl who received so much by sleeping with a rich older guy can make anything for herself? How can she be able to date a regular Chinese boy after all those years believing she is going to live in US in a comfortable life? You do know being with a foreign man is kind of higher class among regular Chinese. Anybody to blame for those bad case of foreign-romance-goes-bad? Also I notice most foreign men who are interested in Chinese women usually discriminate against or look down on Chinese men. Maybe in a way they use this to justify that no matter how bad they took advantage or exploite the Chinese women, they were actually doing them a favor to liberate them from the control of Chinese small men? About how warm and welcomed Chinese women are treated oversea in Aussi's case, I don't think it explains anything for the issues we are talking about here. Sometimes I wonder why those international companies would not do anything to stop their employees exploitation to the locals. Maybe in many ways, some of those big western business practice is another form of colonisation. Believe it, I have seen plenty of this. And you wonder why the westerners, especially the American are so much hated by the people of the third world countries? Compare to the western expats, the Chinese men are much more displined. They are welcomed and accepted by the locals. |
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Shanghainese Girl Marrying Foreigners Of course I am saying ALL international romance is bad. Obviously AussiPB is a good example. But like you said, your case is one of the rare ones. I wonder whether you witness of heard of the bad case like mine. What most people in your circle do about it? NOTHING! They might shoot their heads, say bad bad bad and then forget about it. But think about those eager hopeful girls and women, how much harder for them to keep on their lives being in another man or especially a foreign man. How can they put their feet on the same ground as other Chinese women did not enjoy the same benefit of being with a foreign men. You do know being with a foreign man is kind of higher class among regular Chinese. Anybody to blame for those bad case of foreign-romance-goes-bad? Also I notice most foreign men who are interested in Chinese women usually discriminate against or look down on Chinese men. Maybe in a way they use this to justify that no matter how bad they took advantage or exploite the Chinese women, they were actually doing them a favor to liberate them from the control of Chinese small men? About how warm and welcomed Chinese women are treated oversea in Aussi's case, I don't think it explains anything for the issues we are talking about here. If it isalways a happy ending, everybody is happy, what is the problem? Sometimes I wonder why those international companies would not do anything to stop their employees exploiting the local. Maybe in many ways, some of those big western business practice is another form of colonisation. And believe it, I have seem plenty of this around me. Compare to the western expats, the Chinese men are much more displined and welcomed and accepted by the locals. |
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Shanghainese Girl Marrying Foreigners @DB - good post by the way. Understand your analogies and point completely. |
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Shanghainese Girl Marrying Foreigners Hi budong - I certainly understand the point you are trying to make. As far as advantages - Sometimes I cannot help but feel I'm the one who has taken advantage of the beautiful in-laws I've inherited - they have accepted me unconditionally. They are much better off financially than I was accustomed to growing up. My wife was already very 'worldly-travelled' before we met and a successul business woman in her own right... in short, she didn't need my passport, money or assets (pittance in comparison to what my in-laws have). I've never worked in China on an expat package (local package - we've covered this on another thread). The only thing left on your list is my white skin (which has black heritage)... we all looked past that many years ago. Race and culture blending can be a beautiful thing. My mum in Australia loves and boasts about the fact that my wife is Chinese. We married out of love for each other - absolutely no hidden agendas - and we are completely dedicated to each other, our families, our baby boy and our life together. I also know other couples with similar circumstances to ourselves... it may not be the norm, but it happens. :p |
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10 Things You Love/Hate About Shanghai Hi Jen. Thanks for the comments. I've fogotten about the other 'stirrer' now - I think I was more suffering from a bad day than too worried about what he said. We have a saying in Australia - "it's like water off a duck's back". It was really great to meet you and the team last week also, and I did hear that I made the news. :D One of my colleagues has video-taped it for me - I'm really interested to see how I come across with my voice over-dubbed with Malay. I should be in Thailand around end of September. Sammi and Jaime will visit our families in Shanghai for a few weeks while I'm in Chicago (after Jaime's 1st birthday on 27th August - their first time flying alone without me). I'll make a quick stop in HK, then will pick them back up again from SH - unfortunately I won't get to stay more than a couple of nights this time. Oh well, CNY will be back again before I know it and I'll take the regular 3-weeks vacation then (and will surely gain the 10kg back that I've spent all year losing). Just sent you an email with some suggested date/s for TH. |
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Shanghainese Girl Marrying Foreigners There is difference between the local bad man and the foreign bad man. The American man would not have the same liberal to do what he did to the Chinese in America. Also we need to see the fact that he is actually invited by those Chinese women. And he is glad to go there for the feast because those women all want him to fall in love by using their weapon of being exotic, good Chinese woman, sex, being nice, soft, tender, intellegent, loyal... whatever the good chinese woman quality portrayed by the out side world. But in fact, are they (chinese women) really possess such virtues? Do notice they are all college educated women. At least one woman is not so loyal to her Chinese husband. So if we judge by the conent of their characters, are the Chinese so innocent? There is inherent flaw in international romance between rich and poor countries no matter how strongly some people deny the unfairness between the two parties. Is there realy such a sharp line between the good foreigner and the bad ones? Do you sincerely think that you didn't take advantage of having a white face, a foreigner passport and the expat benefit package??? By the way, it is a real story. I did not copy from anywhere. |
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Data Center "Sealed" During Olympic Great comment form Smith! hehehe So difficult times! So sad situation... HAve you heard about the restricted areas especially for protest??!!! Wow hehe they really think can control every single thing... And what about controling the clouds from raining in the ceremonies!!! A-m-a-z-i-n-g..... |
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10 Things You Love/Hate About Shanghai forget. and aussiepb did u know i saw u on malaysia news last week day after u spoke for ministry of finance conference. now u famous. i was happy to meet u. please remember send me a email when u back from usa and arrange bangkok interview. |
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10 Things You Love/Hate About Shanghai aussiepb, ignore him he baiting u. and i thinks he confusing others comments from what he said. here we know u a long time. u always defend every peoples rights no matter race or culture. (soetime very passionate especially china singapore and australia people). for australia u are true ambassador for your country to all asia. and my friends and i still read your blog every day. your wife and baby is so cute. |
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10 Things You Love/Hate About Shanghai @Griffin - what's up your ass? - we all have made our peace here, so why are you trying to inflame it all again... Ling and I are both long-term contibuters to Jian Shuo's blog and had a quick misunderstanding... FYI - I'm happily married to my wife from Shanghai and have a beautiful baby boy... you are the one being unpleasant now, and for absolutely no reason. You don't know me, nor me you... I have no understanding about your youtubue comment - strange. Finally, I give aussies a bad name? - lucky you can hide behind a post on the internet, you gutless little man. Nothing more to say. Take care. |
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Data Center "Sealed" During Olympic Please keep us inform if during the Olympic games many BBS are close, and if you feel more (or less) censorship than usually. (by the way: no more Business visa are delivered in Olympic city including shanghai http://www.chinaherald.net/2008/07/olympic-cities-stop-issuing-business.html "Beijing welcome you", but you have to stay in your home country in front of the TV) |
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Data Center "Sealed" During Olympic This is unbelievable. How can they do that ? |
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10 Things You Love/Hate About Shanghai I agree with Ling's original and following comments to and about you, Aussie, and Aussie, you are outrageously defensive of someone who just simply misconstrued your original words. If you are an Aussie, then you give a bad name to us. Because we can get over ourselves and get over the attacks of others readily and rapidly, while you however chose to just grow ever more defensive and hide behind eloquence in order to try to make yourself feel correct. You yourself generalized ALL Shanghai woman, and trust me, brother, you have not met ALL Shanghai women. You probably would not even garner the attention of even the most golddigging and superficially ambitious "BabyFace" frequenting young Shanghai lass with your aggressive and overtly defensive behavior, so I tend to think you simply had no luck "hooking up" as perhaps you do or did in S'pore so now hold resentment to Shanghai girls, who I firmly admit are not the easiest to please. Ling is right about you, is my bottom line, and she (or he) need apologize to no-one. You are extremely unpleasant here, and have turned this forum into an argument. Go back to youtube and attack people there, Aussie hater. |
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Train Tickets in Shanghai Railway Station Hi, I woudl liek to go by sleeper train from Shanghai to Haikou. I know it takes 30+ hours but I think it will be a good way to see China. Has anyone here done this journey before? Any suggestions when, where and how to get a train ticket? Many thanks, Ian |
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Data Center "Sealed" During Olympic i want to change wy pool oral english,anyone who want to help me or make friends with me is welcome.i also can teach you some chinese free. |
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Data Center "Sealed" During Olympic this is called China's charactertisc! best suggestion would be far away from politics, you will be safe |
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Killed 6 Policemen and Became Hero A ticking time bomb is a good way to describe it. I suspect there are really intelligent people in the government keenly aware of this enormous looming problem, but they are not going to do anything about it. Leaving it to future generations of government leaders and people to deal with it. Like playing musical chairs, when the music stops, the unfortunate generation will HAVE TO deal with it. |
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Data Center "Sealed" During Olympic stup1d bureaucrats and g0verment |
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Going Back to China? Hi guy, help me with this. I am 25% chinese, i love to live in China but i dont know how much it cost to buy a house in China(which is not in shanghai or beijing) how easy to get a job over there(which is enough to have a decent life), and plus i dont really speak chinese( only english), but i understand few chinese. So is it consider a bad idea to live in china? please help me cuz i can not wait to go to china. i love it.... |
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Data Center "Sealed" During Olympic now this is a good example how China is deve-noping i can say this loudly then: 北京奥运 我TMD不支持 remember that i'll be f***ed if i forgot that |
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Shanghainese Girl Marrying Foreigners Hi AussiePB, I agree that a dog is a dog irrespective of nationality. But my view is that we're not bashing evil dogs, but are rather feeling sorry for the Chinese women who have fallen into the traps of the evil dogs. The situation is: He (= the hunter) exploits young and innocent women in China (= the environment). You argue by replacing the hunter and stressing that locals could do the same. I would argue by replacing the environment. In a different environment, where white men are not regarded as the superior race, the dog's track record would be much less splendid. This view shifts my focus away from the hunter to the women (= the prey). The reality in China is that white men have a much larger and easier-to-get pool of potential prey, and I don't mean in terms of absolute population (that would be comparing apples with oranges) but in % of the total population. A significant amount of white men who have failed at home go to China and other Asian countries for exactly this reason! The advantages of dating foreigners from Chinese women's perspective have been outlined further above. And women who do date foreigners do it on their own will. But most of them are not necessarily aware of what the foreigner they are dating really has in mind. That's why I believe it is legitimate to warn Chinese women of foreigners and to advise them to vet them more carefully. I know this is not fair to all good foreigners, and it doesn't protect the Chinese women from bad Chinese men, but it does help naive Chinese women become more cautious and more mature. As part of a natural process, they would (hopefully) become more able to differentiate between good foreigners and bad foreigners, and also good locals and bad locals. |
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Shanghainese Girl Marrying Foreigners Heh - this thread always comes back... I know guys similar to the one described by budong - also know ladies similar... I think the point is that nationality or country is not the factor here - once a dog, always a dog... it could be a chinese lady and chinese man, or american lady and american man, or a lady from finland with a man from africa... if a person plays up on his partner I don't see how nationality or heritage plays a part?? Any situation and characters could get written into any story and made sound relevant. |
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Shanghainese Girl Marrying Foreigners We have read quite a lot of stories of this kind now. It seems to me that most of them convey a "bad foreign guy, poor and ignorant Chinese woman" image, i.e. I perceive the stories' intention to be a warning to other Chinese women. In this context, I wonder how often you read such stories in the Chinese media. Do you often come along long while reading a newspaper or a magazine? |
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Personal Income Tax in China What amount of tax I have to pay if my salary is 6300 U.S. Dollars per month and I am non resident in china and work at Tanggu |
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Wangjianshuo.com Backup Plan you can find all kinds of backup tools on:http://www.sharewarecheap.com/Backup-Recovery-category_Update_50_1.html |
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Shanghainese Girl Marrying Foreigners Here is a real story. An old (59) American business guy met a young Chinese college girl (21) from the country side on line and "fell in love". She invited him to visit her and gave her virginity to him in a five star hotel. He told her he would not marry her from the beginning. But she took him anyway. The scene was brutal: he is 194 cm 150 kilogram 60 year old senior and she is 142 cm and 40 kilo 22 young junior. After this, they went on almost one tour per year around China and the old guy is absolutely in love with China. It is kind of a relationship. He bought her and her family a big and nice flat. Support her and her siblings finishing college, send them clothes, gifts, money... No wonder she bought him home the second trip he went to China and introduced him to her parents, sisters... Her family just loved him and looked up to him. She was dreaming and getting herself ready to go visit him in the state once she would finish her master degree and marry him and give him babies... Little she knows, he is not such Mr. right after all, the first trip, the first place they met, the five star hotel, he actually slept with another middle aged married Chinese woman who actually paid her own flight and booked the hotel for the meeting. The same trip, before arriving China, he slept with two other young girls in Indonisia. And the whole time he was supporting her and her family, he has his dirty mind on her sisters and even her mother. His own American family knows about his Chinese women adventure. They were all discussed by his act but puzzled by how those Chinese women would let him do this to them. But the real thing I don't understand is all those women in China he could somehow keep a long term relatinship with and they were all faithful to him and hoping one day they would go to the US visit him or he would come visit and stay with them. That poor middle aged woman even divorced her husband and kept herself for him for 3 years until one day she found out she contracted STD from him. Same as the poor girl. In the end, he got married, but not with any of them and all the romance went cold turkey because his new wife found out about it. And those poor Chinese women had no idea what happened after endless desperate effort to contact him. So sad story? As a Chinese woman myslef, I really don't understand. Worst of all, I married this man who is 27 years older than I and I really really love him. |
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Seek for Some Guidance Don't be depressed, it is another ture life man would experience. |
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"The Right to Refuse Service to Anyone" Some customers are just extremely rude or belligerent. Some enter the restaurant drunk or inappropriately dressed. Some obviously don't have the money to pay for the items they are ordering, and are trying to steal from the restaurant or solicit for funds from other customers. The business owners are just protecting their property and business, and good, regular, paying customers. |
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Reading/Writing Chinese in Windows XP How does one convince windows explorer (not Internet Explorer) to display filenames in Chinese? Right now they show as: 3ÔÂƾ֤ |
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My Google PageRank Increases to PR5 my website is page rank 3...how good is page rank 3 and how do i improve on it?thank you Frank www.allbusinesslistingsinusa.com/add_site_link |
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How A Young Couple and a Kid Live in Shanghai Not public schools - public schools are just admitted by school district. But really good private schools have the exam. One of the question I read on the Internet (CAUTION: I didn't personally experience it and don't know whether it is just rumor): What does Panda eat? The poster's child was rejected because he answered "cake" instead o the right answer: bamboo. |
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How A Young Couple and a Kid Live in Shanghai I had no idea public schools in SH had entrance exams for 3 year-olds! So, I am very curious... can you give a few examples of exam questions? |
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Exchange RMB for USD at Pudong Airport This is good info... Does anybody know what the restrictions are for non-individuals i.e. for Corporates? How do they receive money for, say, the export services they provide? Do they invoice the foreign company in a non-CNY currency always and, upon receipt of the payment, convert to CNY locally? |
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Rent an Apartment in Shanghai CNY8500 / 2br - Beautiful, fully-furnished 2 bdrm apt with spacious, upstairs patio (Julu Rd and South Shanxi Rd - JingAn) Beautiful apartment in a great locale in the middle of the French concession with tons of fashionable shopping and restaurants around. Native-english speaking owner. Building is in a quiet area of the apartment complex and is surrounded by greenery. Penthouse unit with an upstairs patio, great place to read a book or look out at the city. Washer/dryer, internet included. Apt complex has a small gym and a great pool, membership included in rent. Walking distance to both subway line 1 and 2. Please contact me via the craigslist.org post. |
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Monday, Tuesday, ... Olympic Olympic game is such a big huge thing, can't belive it will come so soon less than one month~ as an important international event, it's neccessary that we have loaded more strictly restriction~everyone should give this policy more understanding |
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Slow Internet Connection at Home In the B&k Organization i found the network speed problem, network running the continuing but reply time is brek and show the diffrent time, some time show the 1ms ,2ms and present more time. I thik company have large network and still some problems. thinking you prmaod kumar |
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How A Young Couple and a Kid Live in Shanghai Hi, Work at home crafts is a popular method that many are talking about doing in the work at home world. Most people who would like to work at home are stay at home moms. They usually take care of their children while the husband is at work. |
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Best Buy Opens Store in Xujiahui the price is too high。 |
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Drive on the Left in Australia From where i come, we drive on the left. and now I study in australia and I drive on the right side. its not a big deal, you just need to drive 2 or 3 times to get used to it and feel comfortable with it. the only problem i have is that i cannot import my corvette to australia because its a left side driving car :( I'm not saying that they should allow me to drive my car in here. I just feel like talking about it because I miss my car. |
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CRH Train from Shanghai to Hangzhou Welcome to Hangzhou ! one of my friends has built a website >> www.inhangzhou.com it might help if you're going to visit hangzhou. Jerry |
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Monday, Tuesday, ... Olympic I participated in the organization of the torch relay in xi'an. The government treat the game as a policial thing. they are nervous about that, trying ot do anything to avoid any mistakes. It is necessary but a little bit more. |
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MovableType 4.2 is Disappointing @Rob - You now have a friend on the MT team: me. I am sorry the move to MT4 was unpleasant for you. We realize just how big a shift it was, and we are committed to making it better. That is why we stopped to take stock in what we had built with MT 4.2. Not only is MT4 fast, and I mean fast it also takes us back to some of the things many users loved about MT3: * flat, grokable templates * a unified template management/listing screen Plus it gives you tons of new features that give admins unprecedented control over the publishing configuration of their sites. But the proof is in the pudding. Check out the latest release candidate and if you don't like it, I would like to know why so that I can work with the team to fix it. My email is byrne at sixapart dot com. @Jianshuo - what problems did you have exactly and how can I help? Keep in mind that the upgrade process did have a bug or two during the beta period so that might account for your difficulty. The release candidates have been *much* more stable. But please, if you need anything just let me know! |
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Brought Yifan to Gymboree Good decision, indeed! There will be other young children at the parks and play areas when you take him, and he will easily learn to "socialize", with you right there for security if he needs it. One of my favorite memories of our oldest son is from a park we went to when he was very young. He went to get a drink from a water fountain and arrived at the fountain at the same time as another little girl. I have no idea where he learned or how he thought to do this, but he very politely stepped aside to let her drink first, and even held the handle down for her. It was a precious moment, and one I would not have been able to enjoy in my mind all these many years later if he had been in a group care situation instead of with me. :-) |
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Monday, Tuesday, ... Olympic "Beijing welcome you": that is what they say for Beijing olympics. But they are so crazy about "security" that they see everyone as a threat, thus they kick out many foreigners from China, prevent many more to come, kick out mingong and farmers from Beijing (Are they not real Chinese like every other Chinese? or are they second class Chinese that worst only to work as hell for us to build our building, provide us food, and work in factory to produce cheap goods. Bullshit!! they are egal to all other Chinese, and have the same right to go to Beijing try to enjoy the Olympics) Welcome???? Since I am in China I have seen many real welcoming Chinese people... But if the gov continue this way (restriction, control, etc...) it will really not give a good image of China, and the gov will be the only one to blame. |
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Monday, Tuesday, ... Olympic www.520zuan.com, Dinomd China. This blog some brights ideas infect my soul a lot! |
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Monday, Tuesday, ... Olympic So many brights ideas infect me! www.520zuan.com ,Dimond China |
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How A Young Couple and a Kid Live in Shanghai Having kindergarten entrance exams!!! wow, what could they be asked to do? Tie their shoelaces? Write their name? Spell ABC?? Count up to 10? |
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How A Young Couple and a Kid Live in Shanghai Here is another story from National Geographic, which I think is relevant to this thread. http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/05/china/middle-class/leslie-chang-text |
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Find a Job in Shanghai New life in Shanghai, help for Shanghai foreigners Want to find a Chinese friend to help u in all sides of ur new life in Shanghai? Then don't hesitate to leave me a message, or add me appleking2003@hotmail.com in ur msn messenger. About myself: I'm an assistant to the President of a financial service company, well educated, good family background, good looking, kind, clean, and honest. I have my own house in Shanghai, but I am now looking for some foreign friend living near my company to study English and offer help I can offer to the foreign friend. Hope you: well educated, from USA, Canada, UK or some country which take English as native tongue, working in financial industry will be preferred. The rent price I can accept is about 1000 per month, hope the rent place is near the border of Xuhui, Changning and Minhang district (My company is on the Gumei Road). I can teach you Chinese, help you when you want to go out to play, to do shopping, help you find some useful information about Chinese food, renting a house etc, help you to find a better and more cheaper house, and maybe also do cleaning every two or three days......all the things a native Chinese can do but you can’t do. I only need a small room which can study and sleep in. This ad is long-term effective. |
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Mid-Autumn Festival Comes The photo was taken in 2007. |
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Seek for Some Guidance laugh ofter, live well, love much~ |
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GPRS Package from China Mobile Hey ZL, How well does your iphone work in China? How is the speed of the internet? Do you have the first gen iphone or the new 3G? Have you found the 100RMB package to be enough for frequent use? Thanks. |
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GPRS Package from China Mobile Just an update, as it appears this thread won't die :) I just switched over to China Mobile from China Unicom and got the "Level 5: 100 RMB for 800 M" package, price is still the same, also includes some free text messages, picture messages and emails, don't remember exactly how many, but more than I think I'll use. I just got an Iphone and was worried the 50M wouldnt cover it, at least at first while I am playing with my new toy all the time :) |
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How A Young Couple and a Kid Live in Shanghai Here in Seattle, my daughter's private school also had interviews and application process for entrance at kindergarten age, and accepts only fraction of applications. It is not uncommon in larger cities in the U.S. such as S.F. and NYC; and particularly areas with high proportion of foreign workers in highly educated business (like finance, high tech, etc.). There is one BIG difference between the situation in China and U.S., though. The difference is that the competition doesn't really matter to the child's future in the U.S., and in China, it does matter (eventually). At least by middle school, the education system is a giant filtering system that will determine the child's future at each stage of the ladder. When a kid fails to make it to the next rung on the ladder in China, that is where they will be stuck the rest of their life. But in the U.S., a college dropout can become the world's richest man. You can get a perfectly good education in the U.S. going only to public institutions. In places with high competition for the "best" private schools, the public schools are usually top-notch anyway. Public schools in the exclusive neighborhoods of Seattle, S.F, NYC are the best in the country. So why does the U.S. have these exclusive kids schools, you might ask? I think it's because parents are overprotective, and they want what they think is "safest", even if the public schools are "safe enough". And parents from India and China assume that the U.S. education system is similar to the one they grew up in, so they expect the competitive exclusivity. And finally, the schools become little social circles for parents with similar views and backgrounds, so they do not need parents or kids to be exposed too much to the "general public". But IMO, it's the same as most other things that overprotective parents do -- little actual difference in the end. |
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Mid-Autumn Festival Comes Hi, I've seen your photographs 'Surfers Paradise Fire' and was wondering if this was the fire on the Gold Coast in 2001. I am looking for photographs of this fire and am hoping these are from that fire. Please let me know as soon as possible. Many thanks. |
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How A Young Couple and a Kid Live in Shanghai Like Mary, Shanghai reminds me of things I read about in the New York Times. Same big city experience. Wang Jianshuo, I really like reading your posts about Yifan because my daughter Charlotte is only a couple months older and we're thinking about many of the same things here in Shanghai. |
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Brought Yifan to Gymboree I absolutely agree with your choice! I think early education should be with the nature. Don't put children into the artificial social cycle too early, don't deprive their rights to learn from the nature. We have too many years to live with social cycle but no other choice to touch the soil with our pure heart. My son is just 12 days younger than Yi Fan, I have the same situation with you. Thanks for your information about Gymboree. I think you may be interested in this article: http://chinese.wsj.com/gb/20080416/PHO135041.asp |
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Stock Market Big Drop It was a good experience to read the articles and contents on this site. http://www.gujaratonnet.com |
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Brought Yifan to Gymboree Good for you! I think you made the right choice! |
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How A Young Couple and a Kid Live in Shanghai If the competition is so scary now, imagine the competition say 30 years later. Jian Shou - have you ever thought of leaving Shanghai? |
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Killed 6 Policemen and Became Hero The sad thing is, nobody wins in this case. Yang Jia will lose his life. The six police man and their families suffered for nothing they are responsible for. And the worst part, justice is not served. For us onlookers, everybody knows what's wrong but nobody can do anything about it. |
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How A Young Couple and a Kid Live in Shanghai Hhhmmm..... Maybe for some couple it could be a good opportunity for the wife to work as "Tagesmutter" (Mother by day). I have seen this arrangement in Germany, where kindergarten are also scarce. Usually a middle age lady, with enough room at home, takes care of kids in the neighborhood at a lower price than a kindergarten. Another option, is a group of people agree to use the roomiest house of one of them and look for a Tagesmutter. A Tagesmutter could also be one or several of the members of the group, or a hired, external to the group, person. Web of trust must be build of course. Nothing that a sort of social network could not help to address. Internet solutions could also help mothers(and fathers) to ease worries. They could check whenever they want about the kids: Webcams in the room where kids stay, chats with the tagesmutter, mobile phone for tagesmutter... Maybe a web site could be setup to provide such kind of service. Something similar to what is done with car sharing to easy traffic transportation problems: "Tagesmutter sharing" |
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How A Young Couple and a Kid Live in Shanghai Forcing 3-year-old kids to go through an interview process to get admitted to the kinder garten would be deemed "inhuman" in Germany. Totally inconceivable! JS, I don't know what you think about the Chinese rote-learning-based education system and the consequential "exam culture". In my opinion, succeeding in and going through all exams and finally graduating from one of the country's top universities doesn't really give you a competitive edge. Why not escape this ultra-competitive yet unfavourable environment and send your son abroad when he is, say, around 13 or 14? Or allowing him to grow up in a bilingual place like Singapore would also be an option. Financially this should not be a problem for you. Other obstacles might be higher in your case. Actually, although I'm still a student, I have already been thinking about how to raise my children for quite some time. What I have described above are the two options I currently have in mind. I definitely want my children to grow up learning Chinese as one native language, but would never let them waste a total of 12 years of their lives on primary and secondary education in Mainland China. |
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Seek for Some Guidance I've heard it said that on their death bed, no one ever says "I wish I had spent more time at the office". Life's too short. Your little boy will be grown and gone in the blink of an eye, and you will still have many more professionally productive years ahead of you at that point. Enjoy every minute you can devote to being a father and with Wendy :-) |
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How A Young Couple and a Kid Live in Shanghai Really interesting post! Agreed that stay-at-home moms are uncommon in the US. The competitive kindergarten admissions process reminded me of this New York Times article. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/03/education/03preschool.html?scp=6&sq=school%20nursery%20competitive&st=cse Good luck to you and your family and thanks for sharing with us!! |
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How A Young Couple and a Kid Live in Shanghai Sounds familiar to life in the US for two-income families. A few terminology differences: "breeding" should be "nursing" (when the baby is still drinking mother's milk). In the US, only 1 year is called "Kindergarten" - the year before 1st grade. Years before that are just called "pre-school." In SF I experienced the same thing -- for "top" preschool programs, I needed to get on the waitlist *before* the baby was born. So I just filled out the forms with the child's name "Baby Ng" just like everyone else. And the child has to go in for an "observation period" kind of like an interview for kids. No entrance exam though. It helps to have good relationships with important people who already have kids in that school. This is one reason why we abandoned SF to move down to Silicon Valley where the preschool situation is much less crazy. |
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How A Young Couple and a Kid Live in Shanghai I share same pain with you. Maybe the competitions in Shanghai is toppest in China, even world. |
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How A Young Couple and a Kid Live in Shanghai Both parents working is also very common in the U.S. Stay-at-home moms would indeed be the exception. |
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Seek for Some Guidance What's the trouble? Yahoo will be takeovered by MS? |
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Seek for Some Guidance hi all, Thanks a lot for your comments. Very helpful. Thanks Rob and Carroll for encouraging me to spend more time with Yifan and Wendy, and the family, and others who suggested. That is helpful. Peter, you gave a very good way to relax and I will stick to it - just to relax... |
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Seek for Some Guidance I agree that you are normal; at least, I feel the same way. I have a job, a boy only a few months older than Yifan, and I have always wondered how you manage to do what you are doing and still keep up your excellent blog. So to be honest I feel a bit relieved that you also think it's difficult. There are always so many things that remain undone... But I think the answer is to take it easy and don't feel bad about giving the boy the time he wants from you. There won't be another chance to do it. |
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Seek for Some Guidance Hello Wang (Sorry for my english) I know your feeling very well. It's some kind of feeling "remote controlled". What I suggest in such moments....sit in a park (you have a lot of them in the great city of Shanghai) and do NOTHING! I mean really NOTHING. No reading, no eating, no blogging, no anything. Even try not to think. Just look around for about 30 minutes, 1 hour or whatever time you want. If you start to get bored, an I hope you will, you are on the good way, then you are on the way to relax. That's it! It's easy, not? Just trying to get bored. You dont think how relaxing this is and you will see how important it is to have TIME. After this you can come back and keep us informed about Shanghai with your blog. I whish you good luck. Peter |
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Killed 6 Policemen and Became Hero Without a dependable judicial system, there are no rules to follow our enforce. The police cannot lead, and the people cannot follow. |
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Shanghai Looks Like a Modern City I am so proud of Shanghai! Not only because it's my hometown, but also because how fast people learn and adopt to new things. |
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Seek for Some Guidance JianShuo, I fully agree with the comments from Rob and Carroll. I have been staying in Canada for 2.5 years, being an immigrant. Comparing to the life in Shanghai, the thing I learned the most is how important the family is, but no longer jobs/careers/etc. At here, my friends, clients including my co-workers, are influencing me all the time. "Family first" is always their slogan and philosophy: If you have any conflictions between your family and the other things, family always takes priority. That is why I refused many project/engagement opportunities in taking international business trips. There is a very good metaphor: Everyone's life is just like a balance sheet. Family is always your most valuable asset. When you acquire some "assets", you will have to check what your liability is. It's always balanced. In some cases, you are not able to discover the corresponding liability immediately. However, that liability account will appear in the long run... Unfortunately, most people judge a person's life successful or not is simply based on that person's assets, without checking his/her liabilities. The correct answer is "net asset", which contains tolerant, tender, loving, care, etc. Just my two cents. |
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Seek for Some Guidance It is just a coincidence that I dropped in your blog city, where I found there are many nice friends there in this circle, to learn from each other. and get to know more about you to visit your business website. I believe you are sucessful and happy family already and that's up to a high standard life being. Just cherish what you have had is enough! |
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Seek for Some Guidance I agree with Rob -- at this stage of your life, your family must come first, followed closely in second place by your job so that you can provide for your family. I feel sure that most of your readers would agree -- if you have the choice of writing for your blog, or snuggling with Wendy to watch a movie, by all means forget about the blog! |
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Seek for Some Guidance Hi Wang JianShuo, I think all of the things you describe are so true. You are in your 30's (I guess from your photo and blog), you have a very demanding job, you have a young family, you are normal !! Twenty years ago I was in a similar situation, you feel totally disconnected from your life. But don't worry, it will change, and you will look back on this time with affection. You are doing your very best for your family, and that comes at a price, but it is very worthwhile. Keep up the good work! |