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All Kinds of Trap - Another One Did she quote anything?... It seems to me that all she did was driving more traffic to your site... shouldn't be bad... I hope. One way of dealing with the mobile phone hang-up calls is not call them back... the truth is if somebody wants to reach you... they will most likely to call you back... till they reach you. One thing I thought was interesting was that almost nobody has phone messages services in China... not on their cell nor at home. It makes hard to screen phone calls. I almost never answer my landline at home because I hate to get tele-marketers... I know I will never do any "business" with them but also feel bad for people work for them... hard to just hang up on them. |
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I Hope We can Start to Talk about History 识大体、明大理. 民顺，天青。民不顺，天当不青。 Are these what we need to think about... and what we should still hope for? You can't learn from history if the history is "untouchable". As far as I know there haven't been any "real" writing (by Chinese) of Chinese history for... how long? ... let's just say 400 years. Shocking! you bet it's shocking... for a people who believe that there are 5k years history to talk about. Somehow for this 400 years, we seem much more eager to forget than remember. You are right, let's hope we can TALK about history, someday... let's hope we'll have 青天 always... for Yifan's sake. This new generation will have plenty... but they won't know history... the history as facts... unless our generation can come to sense of what had been done to our grandparents, our parents and us. If people can't/will not see what was at stake 19 years ago... I don't see how and when we can "talk" about history in the sense that will benefit Yifan and his children. |
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Earthquake is Much More Terrible than I Thought links http://www.mercycorps.org/chinaearthquake/ http://american.redcross.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ntld_china_relief_fund_0508&s_subsrc=RCOProfile_China&s_src=F8DWA001 https://www.redcross.org.hk/donation/user_donation.asp?langId=2 Just found out Redcross CN works too. http://202.108.59.10/wsjz/wsjz.asp |
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Earthquake is Much More Terrible than I Thought Redcross US/Redcross HK and Mercycorps all have dedicated (China Earthquake) donation page online. Redcross CN's site only works with IE, I couldn't get it through... not sure they take dollars. I am deeply moved by the soldiers on the rescue front. But I wish the government called/will call international rescue teams to go in and help. There are many people in US and other countries who are very experienced in earthquake rescue. I saw a CNN interview with the LA rescue team leader who said they are ready. They'll go today if they are called. They have will, they have experiences, they have people, they have equipments... call them! There is not much time left. |
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Introduce Yourself Hi I am GN. I grew up/educated in China... live and work, as an independent communication designer (brand communication etc.) in the Northwest, US. Every year I spend about two months in China... haven't been in Shanghai yet. I came across your blog a few months ago when googled something related to internet blocking. Enjoy reading your thoughts and seeing the photos. Best wishes to you and your family... safe and happy always. |
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Earthquake and Flee from 18th Floor I don't know how the system works... but if anybody in the States wants to help, MercyCorps has a dedicated donation place online. http://www.mercycorps.org/countries/china/2155 go to "give now". You can find more info on their ongoing project/program that is centered in Sichuan there. |
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Your Opinion about French Revolution You may want to read "On Revolution" by Hannah Arendt. I think some of her books were translated and published in China... not sure about this one though. |
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Mixing, Muddling, and Confusing Wang Jianshou, Since I found your site a few weeks ago... and after reading/joining some of the discussions. I couldn't stopping thinking about a Comment I read some years ago on The New Yorker by Orhan Pamuk. I "dug" it out online... to share with you. COMMENT ON TRIAL by Orhan Pamuk DECEMBER 19, 2005 In Istanbul this Friday—in Şişli, the district where I have spent my whole life, in the courthouse directly opposite the three-story house where my grandmother lived alone for forty years—I will stand before a judge. My crime is to have “publicly denigrated Turkish identity.” The prosecutor will ask that I be imprisoned for three years. I should perhaps find it worrying that the Turkish-Armenian journalist Hrant Dink was tried in the same court for the same offense, under Article 301 of the same statute, and was found guilty, but I remain optimistic. For, like my lawyer, I believe that the case against me is thin; I do not think I will end up in jail. This makes it somewhat embarrassing to see my trial overdramatized. I am only too aware that most of the Istanbul friends from whom I have sought advice have at some point undergone much harsher interrogation and lost many years to court cases and prison sentences just because of a book, just because of something they had written. Living as I do in a country that honors its pashas, saints, and policemen at every opportunity but refuses to honor its writers until they have spent years in courts and in prisons, I cannot say I was surprised to be put on trial. I understand why friends smile and say that I am at last “a real Turkish writer.” But when I uttered the words that landed me in trouble I was not seeking that kind of honor. Last February, in an interview published in a Swiss newspaper, I said that “a million Armenians and thirty thousand Kurds had been killed in Turkey”; I went on to complain that it was taboo to discuss these matters in my country. Among the world’s serious historians, it is common knowledge that a large number of Ottoman Armenians were deported, allegedly for siding against the Ottoman Empire during the First World War, and many of them were slaughtered along the way. Turkey’s spokesmen, most of whom are diplomats, continue to maintain that the death toll was much lower, that the slaughter does not count as a genocide because it was not systematic, and that in the course of the war Armenians killed many Muslims, too. This past September, however, despite opposition from the state, three highly respected Istanbul universities joined forces to hold an academic conference of scholars open to views not tolerated by the official Turkish line. Since then, for the first time in ninety years, there has been public discussion of the subject—this despite the spectre of Article 301. If the state is prepared to go to such lengths to keep the Turkish people from knowing what happened to the Ottoman Armenians, that qualifies as a taboo. And my words caused a furor worthy of a taboo: various newspapers launched hate campaigns against me, with some right-wing (but not necessarily Islamist) columnists going as far as to say that I should be “silenced” for good; groups of nationalist extremists organized meetings and demonstrations to protest my treachery; there were public burnings of my books. Like Ka, the hero of my novel “Snow,” I discovered how it felt to have to leave one’s beloved city for a time on account of one’s political views. Because I did not want to add to the controversy, and did not want even to hear about it, I at first kept quiet, drenched in a strange sort of shame, hiding from the public, and even from my own words. Then a provincial governor ordered a burning of my books, and, following my return to Istanbul, the Şişli public prosecutor opened the case against me, and I found myself the object of international concern. My detractors were not motivated just by personal animosity, nor were they expressing hostility to me alone; I already knew that my case was a matter worthy of discussion in both Turkey and the outside world. This was partly because I believed that what stained a country’s “honor” was not the discussion of the black spots in its history but the impossibility of any discussion at all. But it was also because I believed that in today’s Turkey the prohibition against discussing the Ottoman Armenians was a prohibition against freedom of expression, and that the two matters were inextricably linked. Comforted as I was by the interest in my predicament and by the generous gestures of support, there were also times when I felt uneasy about finding myself caught between my country and the rest of the world. The hardest thing was to explain why a country officially committed to entry in the European Union would wish to imprison an author whose books were well known in Europe, and why it felt compelled to play out this drama (as Conrad might have said) “under Western eyes.” This paradox cannot be explained away as simple ignorance, jealousy, or intolerance, and it is not the only paradox. What am I to make of a country that insists that the Turks, unlike their Western neighbors, are a compassionate people, incapable of genocide, while nationalist political groups are pelting me with death threats? What is the logic behind a state that complains that its enemies spread false reports about the Ottoman legacy all over the globe while it prosecutes and imprisons one writer after another, thus propagating the image of the Terrible Turk worldwide? When I think of the professor whom the state asked to give his ideas on Turkey’s minorities, and who, having produced a report that failed to please, was prosecuted, or the news that between the time I began this essay and embarked on the sentence you are now reading five more writers and journalists were charged under Article 301, I imagine that Flaubert and Nerval, the two godfathers of Orientalism, would call these incidents bizarreries, and rightly so. That said, the drama we see unfolding is not, I think, a grotesque and inscrutable drama peculiar to Turkey; rather, it is an expression of a new global phenomenon that we are only just coming to acknowledge and that we must now begin, however slowly, to address. In recent years, we have witnessed the astounding economic rise of India and China, and in both these countries we have also seen the rapid expansion of the middle class, though I do not think we shall truly understand the people who have been part of this transformation until we have seen their private lives reflected in novels. Whatever you call these new élites—the non-Western bourgeoisie or the enriched bureaucracy—they, like the Westernizing élites in my own country, feel compelled to follow two separate and seemingly incompatible lines of action in order to legitimatize their newly acquired wealth and power. First, they must justify the rapid rise in their fortunes by assuming the idiom and the attitudes of the West; having created a demand for such knowledge, they then take it upon themselves to tutor their countrymen. When the people berate them for ignoring tradition, they respond by brandishing a virulent and intolerant nationalism. The disputes that a Flaubert-like outside observer might call bizarreries may simply be the clashes between these political and economic programs and the cultural aspirations they engender. On the one hand, there is the rush to join the global economy; on the other, the angry nationalism that sees true democracy and freedom of thought as Western inventions. V. S. Naipaul was one of the first writers to describe the private lives of the ruthless, murderous non-Western ruling élites of the post-colonial era. Last May, in Korea, when I met the great Japanese writer Kenzaburo Oe, I heard that he, too, had been attacked by nationalist extremists after stating that the ugly crimes committed by his country’s armies during the invasions of Korea and China should be openly discussed in Tokyo. The intolerance shown by the Russian state toward the Chechens and other minorities and civil-rights groups, the attacks on freedom of expression by Hindu nationalists in India, and China’s discreet ethnic cleansing of the Uighurs—all are nourished by the same contradictions. As tomorrow’s novelists prepare to narrate the private lives of the new élites, they are no doubt expecting the West to criticize the limits that their states place on freedom of expression. But these days the lies about the war in Iraq and the reports of secret C.I.A. prisons have so damaged the West’s credibility in Turkey and in other nations that it is more and more difficult for people like me to make the case for true Western democracy in my part of the world. (Translated, from the Turkish, by Maureen Freely.) http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/12/19/051219ta_talk_pamuk ............ From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Ferit Orhan Pamuk (born on June 7, 1952 in Istanbul) generally known simply as Orhan Pamuk, is a Nobel Prize-winning Turkish novelist and professor of comparative literature at Columbia University. Pamuk is one of Turkey's most prominent novelists, and his work has been translated into more than fifty languages. He is the recipient of numerous national and international literary awards. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature on October 12, 2006, becoming the first Turkish person to receive a Nobel Prize. |
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Grace Wang Called a Traitor Wang Jianshuo, I admire your courage. 鲁迅《热风.随感录三十八》1918.11.15 (in Chinese). http://www.1921.org.cn/CN/library/books_r.jsp?s=04ce1c7601d2469eb2a13e28459dbced&bookid=30135813d50c4c1e9dc133bf356f023f |
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Brief Chat with Andrew 王千源, Caught in the Middle, Called a Traitor (I think it is important to readers on this site to read this.) By Grace Wang (王千源) Sunday, April 20, 2008; I study languages -- Italian, French and German. And this summer -- now that it looks as though I won't be able to go home to China -- I'll take up Arabic. My goal is to master 10 languages, in addition to Chinese and English, by the time I'm 30. I want to do this because I believe that language is the bridge to understanding. Take China and Tibet. If more Chinese learned the Tibetan language, and if Tibetans learned more about China, I'm convinced that our two peoples would understand one another better and we could overcome the current crisis between us peacefully. I feel that even more strongly after what happened here at Duke University a little more than a week ago. Trying to mediate between Chinese and pro-Tibetan campus protesters, I was caught in the middle and vilified and threatened by the Chinese. After the protest, the intimidation continued online, and I began receiving threatening phone calls. Then it got worse -- my parents in China were also threatened and forced to go into hiding. And I became persona non grata in my native country. It has been a frightening and unsettling experience. But I'm determined to speak out, even in the face of threats and abuse. If I stay silent, then the same thing will happen to someone else someday. So here's my story. When I first arrived at Duke last August, I was afraid I wouldn't like it. It's in the small town of Durham, N.C., and I'm from Qingdao, a city of 4.3 million. But I eventually adjusted, and now I really love it. It's a diverse environment, with people from all over the world. Over Christmas break, all the American students went home, but that's too expensive for students from China. Since the dorms and the dining halls were closed, I was housed off-campus with four Tibetan classmates for more than three weeks. I had never really met or talked to a Tibetan before, even though we're from the same country. Every day we cooked together, ate together, played chess and cards. And of course, we talked about our different experiences growing up on opposite sides of the People's Republic of China. It was eye-opening for me. I'd long been interested in Tibet and had a romantic vision of the Land of Snows, but I'd never been there. Now I learned that the Tibetans have a different way of seeing the world. My classmates were Buddhist and had a strong faith, which inspired me to reflect on my own views about the meaning of life. I had been a materialist, as all Chinese are taught to be, but now I could see that there's something more, that there's a spiritual side to life. We talked a lot in those three weeks, and of course we spoke in Chinese. The Tibetan language isn't the language of instruction in the better secondary schools there and is in danger of disappearing. Tibetans must be educated in Mandarin Chinese to succeed in our extremely capitalistic culture. This made me sad, and made me want to learn their language as they had learned mine. I was reminded of all this on the evening of April 9. As I left the cafeteria planning to head to the library to study, I saw people holding Tibetan and Chinese flags facing each other in the middle of the quad. I hadn't heard anything about a protest, so I was curious and went to have a look. I knew people in both groups, and I went back and forth between them, asking their views. It seemed silly to me that they were standing apart, not talking to each other. I know that this is often due to a language barrier, as many Chinese here are scientists and engineers and aren't confident of their English. I thought I'd try to get the two groups together and initiate some dialogue, try to get everybody thinking from a broader perspective. That's what Lao Tzu, Sun Tzu and Confucius remind us to do. And I'd learned from my dad early on that disagreement is nothing to be afraid of. Unfortunately, there's a strong Chinese view nowadays that critical thinking and dissidence create problems, so everyone should just keep quiet and maintain harmony. A lot has been made of the fact that I wrote the words "Free Tibet" on the back of the American organizer of the protest, who was someone I knew. But I did this at his request, and only after making him promise that he would talk to the Chinese group. I never dreamed how the Chinese would seize on this innocent action. The leaders of the two groups did at one point try to communicate, but the attempt wasn't very successful. The Chinese protesters thought that, being Chinese, I should be on their side. The participants on the Tibet side were mostly Americans, who really don't have a good understanding of how complex the situation is. Truthfully, both sides were being quite closed-minded and refusing to consider the other's perspective. I thought I could help try to turn a shouting match into an exchange of ideas. So I stood in the middle and urged both sides to come together in peace and mutual respect. I believe that they have a lot in common and many more similarities than differences. But the Chinese protesters -- who were much more numerous, maybe 100 or more -- got increasingly emotional and vocal and wouldn't let the other side speak. They pushed the small Tibetan group of just a dozen or so up against the Duke Chapel doors, yelling "Liars, liars, liars!" This upset me. It was so aggressive, and all Chinese know the moral injunction: Junzi dongkou, bu dongshou (The wise person uses his tongue, not his fists). I was scared. But I believed that I had to try to promote mutual understanding. I went back and forth between the two groups, mostly talking to the Chinese in our language. I kept urging everyone to calm down, but it only seemed to make them angrier. Some young men in the Chinese group -- those we call fen qing (angry youth) -- started yelling and cursing at me. What a lot of people don't know is that there were many on the Chinese side who supported me and were saying, "Let her talk." But they were drowned out by the loud minority who had really lost their cool. Some people on the Chinese side started to insult me for speaking English and told me to speak Chinese only. But the Americans didn't understand Chinese. It's strange to me that some Chinese seem to feel as though not speaking English is expressing a kind of national pride. But language is a tool, a way of thinking and communicating. At the height of the protest, a group of Chinese men surrounded me, pointed at me and, referring to the young woman who led the 1989 student democracy protests in Tiananmen Square, said, "Remember Chai Ling? All Chinese want to burn her in oil, and you look like her." They said that I had mental problems and that I would go to hell. They asked me where I was from and what school I had attended. I told them. I had nothing to hide. But then it started to feel as though an angry mob was about to attack me. Finally, I left the protest with a police escort. Back in my dorm room, I logged onto the Duke Chinese Students and Scholars Association (DCSSA) Web site and listserv to see what people were saying. Qian Fangzhou, an officer of DCSSA, was gloating, "We really showed them our colors!" I posted a letter in response, explaining that I don't support Tibetan independence, as some accused me of, but that I do support Tibetan freedom, as well as Chinese freedom. All people should be free and have their basic rights protected, just as the Chinese constitution says. I hoped that the letter would spark some substantive discussion. But people just criticized and ridiculed me more. The next morning, a storm was raging online. Photographs of me had been posted on the Internet with the words "Traitor to her country!" printed across my forehead. Then I saw something really alarming: Both my parents' citizen ID numbers had been posted. I was shocked, because this information could only have come from the Chinese police. I saw detailed directions to my parents' home in China, accompanied by calls for people to go there and teach "this shameless dog" a lesson. It was then that I realized how serious this had become. My phone rang with callers making threats against my life. It was ironic: What I had tried so hard to prevent was precisely what had come to pass. And I was the target. I talked to my mom the next morning, and she said that she and my dad were going into hiding because they were getting death threats, too. She told me that I shouldn't call them. Since then, short e-mail messages have been our only communication. The other day, I saw photos of our apartment online; a bucket of feces had been emptied on the doorstep. More recently I've heard that the windows have been smashed and obscene posters have been hung on the door. Also, I've been told that after convening an assembly to condemn me, my high school revoked my diploma and has reinforced patriotic education. I understand why people are so emotional and angry; the events in Tibet have been tragic. But this crucifying of me is unacceptable. I believe that individual Chinese know this. It's when they fire each other up and act like a mob that things get so dangerous. Now, Duke is providing me with police protection, and the attacks in Chinese cyberspace continue. But contrary to my detractors' expectations, I haven't shriveled up and slunk away. Instead, I've responded by publicizing this shameful incident, both to protect my parents and to get people to reflect on their behavior. I'm no longer afraid, and I'm determined to exercise my right to free speech. Because language is the bridge to understanding. Grace Wang is a freshman at Duke University. Scott Savitt, a visiting scholar in Duke's Chinese media studies program, assisted in writing this article. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/18/AR2008041802635.html |
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"Love China" Blooms on MSN Messenger summer-go, You are right on this last note. Thanks for helping me out. |
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"Love China" Blooms on MSN Messenger @Lucy, I was brainwashed by my country. Why don't you read what I said before, again, then you'll know which county that was. The difference is... I know it. Don't stop loving your country. It's my country too. |
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Real Pictures of China with My Experience @ Wang, You are so lucky that your family book has been kept well. I think most of us lost it 40 years ago. It would be wonderful to carry it on. Maybe add girls' names too... another way to show improvement on human rights... why not. To pass on the family name is one part of the story why Chinese prefer boys over girls... in cities that could be the main reason. I don't know today's number... is it 65% of the population were peasants? Labor for field work is essential in countryside. |
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"Love China" Blooms on MSN Messenger @Dancingdots, Sorry, it was not about design. All I said was that was how it appeared to me. And I am so glad you don't see it the same way... that is the point. This is kind of wasting of time by now... 整个一个车轱轳转，转轱轳车。 |
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"Love China" Blooms on MSN Messenger @summer_go, Yes... works damn good. |
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"Love China" Blooms on MSN Messenger @ Stun Edge, I don't disagree that wester media should be watched. It should be watched very closely. This is a known fact, it's not anything new, what so ever. They did false report, point it out and make them correct it. But turn CNN or BBC to be "the West"?! It doesn't make sense. They don't represent America nor Britain... especially CNN, it's a private company... a lot of people don't watch CNN at all. BBC is indeed a different animal, but if "BBS hate Chinese" is what you believe, you know what, you'll have to believe that "they hate everybody". Then turn some protests during Olympic events to be "China hate"or even "anti Chinese people"... it makes less sense. Some of you keep saying that people's feelings were hurt. I am sorry that so many people feel hurt. But the fact is that international affairs are not about feelings. You are on the international stage. There are many people don't live the way you do, and don't want the same way. They may not like your way of life/thinking at all. They will not say things just to please you. That doesn't mean they hate you. Sometimes, things are not totally fair in your perspective, it's not pleasant. Understand. Some other readers on this blog offered some profound insights on how to deal with situation like this before. I am sure, I hope, you read it. Many others have said same things already... protesting in any of these involved countries (US, UK, France etc.) are norm, it's a part of life. It is everybody's right. There are always some people don't agree on something... big deal. Every other day, there'll be some people holding signs out side US Army recruiting offices... to protest against the War... it's been going on for five some years. In general, people want their government to be criticized in order to make sure that they (the government) do a better job. If nobody is criticizing the government, something is wrong. A good image of a nation depends on how a nation treats its people, all people not just the elite and majority groups... how the people treat each other... how, together, they deal with other countries. If people really love the motherland and see all people of the land as one family, they should found out why some members (Tibetans in this case) of the family are not happy. I didn't hear too many Chinese people demanding on finding out the truth... not some reports from CCTV or other agencies... not even just who burned who's shoppes. Something is really wrong when people burn their own cities. Instead, I heard and saw people, by in large, focusing on others' deeds, CNN/BBC etc., their wrongs their unfairness. Then finally, turn the event to be a "movement of national pride"... rise and guard our honor... You don't sense this is an odd chain of events? I have no problem with people want to show how much they love a country. But this time, at this moment, for this reason, it is infantile. |
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"Love China" Blooms on MSN Messenger @ summer_go, Thanks for you note! In terms of my organs, no report from any doc of anything missing... no idea how big the brain is either... it works. |
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Friends Started to Boycott French Products If you are thinking, you know that you can't shut people up. Nor can you take my identity away. I am a proud Chinese. Nobody on this earth can take that away from me. I said what I said because I care. Some of you don't care if I care or not... it goes both ways... tough, isn't it. As long as the platform is open, as long as Wang allows different voices, you'll see me around. You pick your way to show your understanding of national pride. I have my way of looking at it. I am indeed honored to be the target of these matters. One World, One Dream. Sounds great. What kind of World will that be, a world with one voice, one color, one way of thinking? No, thank you! Unity that doesn't allow different voices to be heard is brainwashed. Societies which don't allow disagreements are brainwashed societies. Tibet is a problem... it doesn't matter if we (Han Chinese) like it or not. How and when it can be solved, I don't know. But all Chinese have to face it. If you really love the motherland, you make sure that the government don't solve problems like this with guns. If you don't, one day that same gun may be at your face too. China is big and already powerful... what happened surrounding this Olympic proves that to all. It is about time to get rid of the victim-mentality. International fairs are not about feelings anyway. Either you learn how to listen and communicate with people who don't agree with you, or, you shut. It is your choice to be hurt (on feelings) or not. If you choose to be hurt... nobody can stop you. |
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"Love China" Blooms on MSN Messenger @ whatever that was related to my previous comments. If my comments hurt you, make sure you don't blame Americans or anybody else. I am Chinese from mainland China. If you want to call me names which supposedly are more "suitable" for an Chinese who disagrees with you... I can't stop you. Thank goodness, I have thick skin. I saw people's anger I heard plenty... "they hurt our feelings". I understand where it all come from. I just don't see it the same way. You don't have to listen to me, or care about what I think. But when I have something to say on this "public" platform, I say it the way I do. I am a designer, have no plan to change that, sometimes I learn and understand things visually. You put out a "show", I observed. That's it. Plus, Lance Armstrong is about individual sprite... and more. He is not about American government. Not everybody (not even close) wears yellow bands. And there is nothing wrong with those who don't have one. If it comes to the point that people believe only the ones who wear the yellow band are life-loving people, then YES, I'd call that "brainwashed" too. |
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"Love China" Blooms on MSN Messenger One People, One voice. I am sorry, this really fits the definition of "brainwashed". And since I am a designer, I can't help it... to offer some comments on the visual. One word: boring. To interpret it from communication design perspective, this says: PEOPLE are NOT thinking. It also creates the same effect in my mind as if you show me pictures of China in the 50's, 60's, 70's... people wore same colors in same styles spoke same words. There are more colors, somewhat cute, and technically up-to-date... yet it depresses my eyes and my imagination. |
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Why I Didn't Cover About Tibet @Mei, How about starting from what the people who are living in Taiwan want? And on your earlier comments... "And they have not suffered the stupidity of the Cultural Revolution in the mainland. As a nation the PRC has been in a different planet for so long, that it is only in the 80's that they really opened up. Why are we asking for immediate democratic reforms in the PRC? Shouldn't they be allowed 50 years (in jest) too? ". PRC started in 1949, and has been in power for the same length of time as KMT has in Taiwan. In terms of the suffering of Cultural Revolution... who do you think should be responsible for the that suffering? There should be no excuses for what happened during those 20 years. I am not asking for immediate democratic reform in the PRC... whatever the time Chinese people give will be the time there will be... frankly nobody can force such process. And it may not be the same "democracy" anyway. Just don't diminish other people who took a different path, and disagree with you. Plus, shouldn't you be happy for 2% less of "US" didn't have to suffer the same suffering. |
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My Experience of Culture and Religion in Tibet If you are interested, here is a place (I am not sure if it is accessible from China) where you could find some information of the past events. http://www.feer.com/features/2008/march/from-the-archives-1959-tibetan-insurgency |
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More Discussion on Tibet To Jian Shuo Wang, thank you for providing the bridge. This is the pain we share. |
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Error in Western Media Report about Tibet Perkiins again. "neocons' plans"?! What is your plan? Engineering Human Race? ... dream on! WWII, or The Tower of Babel, which one you haven't heard of? People like you who take such pain to present these kind of so so complicated so... logically fitting so... scientifically proved so... and so trash theories bring real disasters to human race. |
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Error in Western Media Report about Tibet r: Perkiins. Well well... let's waste a bit more time on you. Americans did this, Australians did that... I am not an American. I feel very strongly for American Indians and I say so to my American friends whenever the issue becomes the topic. I haven't heard any Americans gave any excuses for the wrong doings. It was wrong! That's why we, Chinese, should take it as a lesson not as an excuse. I am not guilty for what American did, but I will be guilty if I don't care about what Chinese did and are still doing to Tibetans. And also, I think what you said about what Americans are doing to Indians today are pill of trash. |
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Why I Didn't Cover About Tibet @ Mei, "Illegally occupied"... by who's law? And are you also saying that KMT were not Chinese... or the Qing (清）Empire were more of Chinese? By the way I am from Mainland. I don't think it took Taiwan 50 some years to build a democrat system is so bad compare to what happened in mainland in the same time frame. They should be proud... I hope someday you'll be proud of them too. Do you want to also show the map that is one link above the link you posted here on the UT list? I'll help you. http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/asia_1808.jpg Show this map to Du, maybe he'll correct "his" 西藏简史... 十三世纪中叶，西藏地区正式归入中国版图后... etc。 Since you have the map, take a close look, really close... it doesn't matter how the map was colored... you may be able to figure out why it is so IMPORTANT for China to have Taiwan... if you think it's about a piece of land, or national unite, think again! |
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Error in Western Media Report about Tibet 你如果没把你05年的愤慨从新发出来，我也没打算加这个贴。说国内没有GFW的确是让人不解。我个人的最新体验是GFW是越来越“神了”。一个月前刚在国内呆了三周。每每有那不知为何不让去的网，我便被“带”到中国"鸭糊"的“指导点”。回美一个月了，偶尔还给你指导指导（这回都是网址有误的情况下）。GFW大概还会埋”虫子“了。我打算再给个一个月的时间。再”犯“的话就只好重装browser。 I found it's also shocking that for somebody like you (and some of the readers here as well) who have the privileges of the few to live in a relatively open and free life style, but who can't seem to tell the differences between mistakes and intentional misguides of media. Are you seriously putting a "=" mark between CCTV and CNN, BBC etc. (Believe me, I am not a fen of either of them... that's beyond the point). What is so bad of media from other countries to pointed out the brutality, unfairness, and unjustness of China... especially we all know what our national system is a decoration. They do the same thing to their own countries, their own governments. The only bad thing about it I can figure out is about loosing face. Guess what... if China and Chinese really want to become this big powerful nation no earth as we claim we dreamed for for generations... GET READY AND GET USED TO IT. The alternative... is close the "door" again like it use to be... go back to the time when few cared about how our parents lived. Since we jumped up and down to put our face in front of the world (this summer Olympic is a perfect example)... what is the point that we get all so existed that some of the people of this world don't think we are so pretty. In terms of Tibet. I am Han Chinese. I traveled to the the west area of China from the south of Gansu to where it is in between Sichun and Tibet in 1988 by taking trains and buses. I remember the biggest impact on me from that trip was to realize that they (Tibetans) were not us. They have a long history, well developed culture, literature included. They looked even better in their own native clothing. Unavoidably, I saw clear signs of "汉化" as well... I can only imagine how much more it is today. What I want to say is that it should not be up to us, Han Chinese, to tell Tibetans how to live. Rightly we often demand the respects from the West. Shouldn't we also give respects to Tibetans? The respect to their religion, language, and their right to be Tibetans. I know I would want that if I were a Tibetan. The common argument I read online from Chinese is that we gave them a better life. It seems hard for a lot of Chinese to understand that not all people value "modern" life, including the highways, high speed internet, and the new airports you were so proud of, as a good life. Let people have the right to know, to disagree. Maybe one day, we'll have a solution. |