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Weekend at San Jose > Do chinese learn to make a reverse parking along the curb, between 2 cars ? carsten, most Chinese do not have a car, even in Shanghai. And, it's weekend not weedend. Although some readers here are mad about pointing out Jianshuo's spelling errors, I never hesitate to do so. :-D |
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Pressure is About Expectation "It seems to me that the pressure we got from this city is all about expectation - people's expectation and ourselves." No offense, but you think wayyy too highly of Shanghai, maybe rightly so... but definitely not in this case. Everybody "thinks" they have a lot to do after they come back from vacation or from a business trip (at least I do too). Especially in Asia/Japan where people work at least until 11pm every night! So its not about expectations from Shanghainese, it is life. |
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Spring Comes to Shanghai well jianshuo, I wasnt looking for you to make controversial statements about the demonstrations, but since this post is dedicated to whats happening in Shanghai, I just thought you would at least let your readers such me, know whats happening. It is better than to pretend nothing is happening. |
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Spring Comes to Shanghai Yes Zhang, I am very curious about the anti japanese news too. I have been reading in many other Shanghai blogs about the anti-japanese demonstrations except for this blog and received emails from my japanese friends in Shanghai too. I like Wang's blog very much, but after this sort of semi "censure" in this blog of this huge news among Shanghainese, I am very disappointed. Wang but I sure would like to know your opinion, whether you participated in the demonstration and general idea about whats happening in Shanghai regarding this. Thanks! |
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Is 10,000RMB/Month a Ridiculous Offer? I totally understand that point, my point being if a company is planning to hire an expat in his/her country they must pay the standard salary in the expat's country. That only makes sense, otherwise go to china and look for a local or a foreigner looking for jobs in China. |
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Is 10,000RMB/Month a Ridiculous Offer? http://home.wangjianshuo.com/archives/20040519_salary_in_shanghai_part_ii.htm Thats the link, I was wrong, JianShuo said RMB 30k-40k/yr is about right for an Technical Manager expat with 7 years of experience! But to be fair, he didnt know if that guy was an expat or a foreigner looking for job in China. Still 30k-40k/yr for IT Manager with 7 years of experience with a foreign firm is way too low even for a chinese. I guess sometimes you can never separate personal feelings with correct advice... |
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Is 10,000RMB/Month a Ridiculous Offer? Long post here: Obviously if a company feels they can hire a local for less salary then they would have already done so and would not feel the need to pay higher salary plus living expenses for aims. So now, the point being if they are looking for employees IN London, and are willing to pay more to an expat (yes he is an expat, foreigner would be if he was hired in china and 'foreigners' don't get paid living expenses) then obviously they see some advantage of hiring aims instead of a local Chinese. Its not for us to decide, but for the company. MVM you are confused, read below about all the expenses for an expat, not just food and living expenses in china or for beautiful girls or higher social class (which is just ridiculous, perhaps jealousy or pettiness on your part) that you mentioned in your website. Of course I never said anyone deserves like 400-500% more for a job that a Chinese could do equally well. But that's the reality of life, expats get paid more because they communicate well with the HQs, they have expenses to pay in their home country, and when they retire they go back to home country to live etc. Its simple, if companies want to pay local salary, hire locally. But if they want to hire an expat, they better be ready to pay the home country salary or more, otherwise its just plain asinine. I am very emotional about this because I feel Jianshuo is letting his personal feelings affect the integrity of his opinion, which is what this website is based on. That feeling would be as you can read from all these posts by local chinese, that most Chinese just can't accept the fact that expats will always and should always get paid a lot more. I don't get it why JianShuo always bring up the living expenses in China etc whenever an expat ask about a salary question. This is the second time he made this stance if I recall correctly. One time he even replied to a user that 300,000 yuan or so was very good for expat working in project management with 5 years of experience! Come on...... That created bit of a ruckus and many people also commented on it. I expect a lot from this website and this is all very misleading and plain wrong. Some of the comments by Jianshuo, just really disappointed me, "I am not surprised at all" "You should expect little more than fresh graduates" seriously, are you kidding me? For someone to be hired IN London (if he is British and not Chinese student in Britain) its a joke. "When people enjoy the cheap China goods, they should have the expectation for lower salary here." What? He isn't in China looking for work, he is being sent here to work by a foreign company, so what about all the inconveniences aims has to experience as compared to Britain? What about all the expenses you are still paying back home? What about the retirement savings? What about staying away from home and family? Finally, "It seems in your case, the marketing position is not that unique and the company can easily find someone more than happy to take the job in local market. You cannot expect big advantage over the local candidate just because you are coming from abroad." For god's sakes, once more, it's not him that aimed to work in China, but a company who is sending him here. Why is marketing different from any other job, there are tons of Chinese in every field who are very much qualified and more than willing to do any job for lot less. In fact it is much easier for foreign companies to tell Chinese to do programming than to do Marketing. It's not easy to convey marketing ideas or vision from the HQ to a local candidate. The simple answer is, you should be paid at least YOUR local salary if a company is hiring you in your home country. ONCE AGAIN, it's completely different if you were hired in China. Why is it so hard for everyone to understand and accept this? Except for teaching English by some american college students, which still pays as much as what aims is being offered, I don't see any other job that would hire expats in their home country and pay such a low salary. This is no sales job or some low level job, otherwise no company would be stupid enough to hire aims from London, pay hirer salary (than local) and also pay for living expenses in China. Do your research Jianshuo before you give ridiculous advices and hurt people who look upto you for advices. AS FOR ALL THE PISSED OFF LOCAL CHINESE HERE, SURE IF A COMPANY HIRE A FOREIGNER IN CHINA AND PAY CHINESE SALARY THATS ALL FINE, BUT IF COMPANIES HIRE IN LONDON, THEY BETTER PAY LONDON SALARY OR MORE..... |
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Is 10,000RMB/Month a Ridiculous Offer? Well I am Business Manager and I started as a Marketing research analyst. And you are right, it is a very interesting and creative industry. I have to say though, when you mention marketing, people assume sales and hence low base salary, thats a misconception. It maybe true that banks pay more, but only to Investment Bankers and Money Managers. Thats because people working in IBanking work crazy hours and they are 'selling'. Junior Analysts make just average professional starting salary around 35k-40k (if not in big cities like NYC) which is similar what marketing analysts make. IBanker sells the company that they represent to the investors and whenever u sell something, u make more money. On the other hand lawyers always make more starting salary than the rest. But still, 100k apparently is a lot in this case because my friend is also a 'new' analyst who is making the same salary in China as a 'new' lawyer in london. All of this aside, it would make perfect sense if that guy was hired in China but companies are always expected to pay the market salary or more when hiring expats in their home country. I already gave the reasons above, but once again, say Kijiji hires Jianshuo in China for somewhere in Africa and pay him much lower than the salary in China but much higher than the local salary, would it make sense for him? Thats why I took a little exception to what JianShuo said, because I feel its a little misleading and doing expats a little bit of injustice. |
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Is 10,000RMB/Month a Ridiculous Offer? Just to add to what I said, all of you guy's and Jianshuo's point would be perfectly valid had that guy got this job while looking for it in China, but for companies to go to hire expats in their home country and pay chinese salary is really a joke... no offense obviously, because for Chinese 120,000/yr is great, because they will eventually retire in their home country, not so for the expat. Companies do/should take all these into consideration when hiring expats. |
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Is 10,000RMB/Month a Ridiculous Offer? well dd, i didnt say any japanese could make $100k, but thats the very first thing that popped up. Now, I dont see any reason why they would pay a junior financial analyst $100k when a very good chinese uni graduate can do it just as well at a much lower salary. Reason being? coz its a japanese company and maybe they are preparing him to be a manager there. That would usually be the same reason why a company would hire a person in London for a marketing position in china. Now, to answer little monkey, why is finance different than marketing? I dont see any advantage of an expat working in China in this field. And trust me most of the expats working in China arent "unique", otherwise they wouldnt be in China, but in the company's HQ. Sure companies would send good employees 'temporarily' to start a project, but I highly doubts most expats in China are for these purposes. There is a huge flaw in the argument here anyways. The expat above is already getting paid more in salary as well as in housing allowance. So its moot to argue about how expat working in marketing is worse than hiring locals. Obviously the company sees some advantage, hence higher pay. Marketing isnt a job that sounds very technical but it sure is as complicated as any other job, I know coz I work in this industy. So any company that hires expats (not chinese students living abroad) to work in China, will ALWAYS pay at the least equivalent salary that the expat would expect to make in their home country. I know this for a fact because I work in marketing and whoever is sent to work abroad from our company, in fact gets paid about 20% more than what they had been making in the USA. Look at it this way, would I want to leave New york to work in China for the same salary? I have friends, family, nice apartment etc. Even though Shanghai is very nice (i was there just recently on business), I wouldnt leave everything here unless i get a much better incentive. whew long post. |
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Is 10,000RMB/Month a Ridiculous Offer? Jian Shuo, are u kidding me?? First, for any expats to make RMB 120,000 is ridiculous, especially if the company is offering to send him (as evident from the housing allowance). I know young college students earning RMB 100,000 working as english teachers in China. And please, do not compare the local chinese students, they are not leaving a higher pay at home, going to a new country and staying away from home and family for extended period of times. Second, who says Marketing is not unique? I would say it is more unique than computers, as you could see, every other Indian or chinese works in IT field these days. My friend who is Japanese, is earning US$100k after tax and he is only a junior doing financial analysis in a chinese market! Now I dont see anything unique, neither is he in senior management. |
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My Blog Won't Go Commercial I am sorry for being rude, but your post was pretty ridiculous. It wasnt about "commerciality" as you claim, you were basically calling him a liar by saying there is no way there could be that many users that Jianshuo claimed. I dont see any reason why he would lie. On top of that, "Nice Speech" what did you mean by that? geez bro, dont change your stance after someone called on you for your comments. |
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My Blog Won't Go Commercial ooh someone seems to be pissed off and jealous... if you cant get that many visitors that doesnt mean no one can. First, I bet most of his visitors are people looking for information for "Shanghai", so its not only about someone's blog. Second, this website has more information about Shanghai, than actual websites solely about Shanghai. Third, shut up when you dont know Jack. |
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Sasa Enters Shangahi SASA? never heard of it in the US...... |
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Luoyang Telephone Number Upgraded There are so many things wrong with this post, JianShuo:) I am also in marketing, working as a marketing research analyst in the us and I do know what you mean. However, its not because Chinese is faster than Americans but because developing countries 'use' proven technologies from other developed countries without going through all the initial phase of implementation and research done by say american companies. To say chinese companies move faster using the cell phone (100 yrs to 10 yrs) example is very very short sighted indeed. Because first, cell phone was invented just recently (20yrs ago maybe) second because every family already had landlines, so cell phone didnt take off as fast as it did in other asian countries. This borrowing of technology make it "seem" that developing countries like India (a better example than China in this case) move faster, but its far from truth and a completely wrong logic. As for your comment, "They prefer a comprehensive plan, very solid reasoning and data support for every decision", well dunno how chinese companies base their decisions, but this is how every business decision SHOULD be made, based on very solid reasoning and data support, not guesswork or incomprehensive plan. In conclusion, yes it is completely wrong in saying americans are slow in implementing business strategies, because this is exactly what we are known for lol. and other developing countries has a lot to learn from usa in this area, coz trust me companies in developing countries are not known for efficency. Oh btw I dont know anything that took 100 years in usa, that took 10 years in China. On the contrary its the opposite :) e.g. just more people are now using phones doesnt mean anything, dont forget the number of years where people didnt buy? Dont confuse growth with history :) |
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My Blog Won't Go Commercial huh? Why does he need to share his ad income with us? Doesnt seem like MT cares about him, but somehow thinks Jianshuo is making more money from ads then he is impying. I am sure he isnt lying when he said it covers his cost. We all know JingShuo is doing really well with his career, he bought a house, a car and doing great. I doubt even if the ad income doesnt pay for his expenses, he will not be 'ok' as MT tried to imply. So its stupid to ask him to 'show' his ad revenue to us for some ulterior motives. But I sure hope he makes a lot of money for all his help to us. Thanks again JianShuo! |
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Dislike Doing or Starting to Do haha dont tell me u had to learn how to say Hua in cantonese.. hehe I knew this and i have never even learned cantonese. Jokes aside, I always believed, it is practically impossible to learn new languages after a certain age. Sure you can learn few words, but to master it, the tense and the exact accent is impossible. Of course there might be few people who have done it, but its very rare. Just my opinion i could be wrong. Thats why I envy Singaporean and malaysian chinese, boy they can speak Malay, English, Mandarin, Cantonese/Hokkien/Hakka. Its cool. oh I heard that 5-10 years ago, if you didnt speak Shanghainese in Shanghai, people look down on you? same as it was in HK if you didnt speak Cantonese. My friends say it is still the case in Shanghai but at a much lesser extent. is it true? |
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Enjoy Doing or Being Able to Do great comments, as Carroll already mentioned, it is true everywhere. Most new yorkers have never seen the statue of liberty. New yorkers dont find it is any special living in NYC unlike people who come to New york for vacation. Same goes for Shanghai, I just came back from a business trip to Shanghai and enjoyed it thoroughly. But not because of the tourist spots (which there arent too many) but because of the good food at very expensive restaurants and meeting old college friends. I wouldnt be doing all this in NY where I live. So Shanghai is just like any big city, people from other places go there, enjoy themselves for few days but for ppl who live in Shanghai, you do not do all those things as it is either too expensive/or gets boring after a while. The grass is always greener on the other side. |
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Welcome to the God of Fortune "Unaware"? You are obviously chinese, how could you not be aware? Your mother even lives in china! cultural clash? there is no cultural clash. We call it "that grumpy man who doesnt enjoy life" clash. heh just kidding. But seriously, even Americans who have never been or even seen a chinese knows how chinese celebrate new years. |
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Hotels in Chengdu http://www.chinaholidays.com.au/hotel/hotel_chengdu.html according to the above link, xiyu business hotel is 3 star, so that makes sense. 3 star hotel in China is usually pretty bad. By the way, which hotel is the best in Shanghai based on location and service in the range of US$100-$120? |
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Seoul Changes Chinese Name I agree with Jian Shuo fully, Korea cannot do anything about what chinese people call Seoul, but they did request it be called Sou er. I understand it because they dont want the chinese people to confuse it with anything related to China. I mean if Chinese people call a city with names that others are not comfortable with, dont you think they have a right to complain? As a Chinese would you like it if Japanese called Beijing, Re Ben Cheng among themselves? Even if it was not an official name, chinese wouldnt like it. So think about that and understand their feelings. |
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Seoul Changes Chinese Name Because the chinese name doesnt sound anything to their real name which is Seoul? People in China can call Seoul anything they want, but it wont be correct anymore if its not Shou er. But I think the name Han Cheng for the Koreans is derogatory, as Han means Chinese race and Cheng means city, so in essence chinese people is calling the capital of Korea a Chinese city which for sure would upset many Koreans. So it is perfectly understandable and not a big deal at all. Its their city and their right. |
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Chinatowns in U.S. "The area in the big city seems to be a replica of old China's streets - small shops, simple and cheap restaurants." old China's streets? I have to say, more than 80% of China will love to have those streets.. I am surprised Jianshuo that you have travelled so much within China yet you make it sound like everywhere in China is like Shanghai... |